Commodore commercial 128 programs list

[airship]

I KNEW if I didn't provide a link someone would want it!

[ebay]350117831953[/ebay]

What happened to the ebay tag?

[Golan Klinger]

Just add the auction # to http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item= and you're good to go.

[Andrew Wiskow]

I KNEW if I didn't provide a link someone would want it!

[ebay]350117831953[/ebay]

What happened to the ebay tag?

I don't know what happened to the eBay tag, but here is a working link to the auction.  Now I see why I wasn't able to find it in a search.  The auction description lists it as "dish list".  The only place it's called "disk list" is in the photo, which wouldn't come up in a search.

[RobertB]

I don't know what happened to the eBay tag, but here is a working link to the auction.

He's asking $69.99 for that?  We give those extra copies away for free at our table when there is a Classic Gaming Expo or a Vintage Computer Festival.

              Met with the Amigaclub.be members yesterday
              in Los Angeles,
              Robert Bernardo
              Fresno Commodore User Group
              http://videocam.net.au/fcug
              The Other Group of Amigoids
              http://www.calweb.com/~rabel1/

[airship]

He's asking $69.99 for that?  We give those extra copies away for free at our table when there is a Classic Gaming Expo or a Vintage Computer Festival.

While I might agree that he's asking a bit much, Robert, I must remind you that not everyone can make it to or even knows about computing expos and festivals, nor can everyone afford to go to them even if they do.

[Andrew Wiskow]

Yeah, some people live in crazy out-of-the-way places like Iowa...   

[airship]

Yeah, some people live in crazy out-of-the-way places like Iowa...   

I'd challenge you to a duel over that comment, Andrew, but I'd have to travel three days by tractor just to get to the nearest airport to fly out to California to fight you.

[Andrew Wiskow]

Don't worry...  We're seriously considering moving to another "crazy out-of-the-way place" when I retire from the navy in another 5 years...  It's a place called Wisconsin. 

[Douglas]

Hello everyone!

Wow, I haven't been by in quite awhile but I'm very happy to see that the list keeps growing, and I really like the site with the pictures of C-128 programs, very nice!

I've been busy with work (I own my own business) and I have also gone back to school to get an electrical technology degree so I've been a bit preoccupied.

I am actually looking forward to possibly developing some Commodore related hardware "stuff" in the future, but school first (you have to actually understand how this stuff works I hear...) so maybe I can have some more fun with my old C128 again at a future date!

Anyways, I hope that the list keeps expanding and people keep finding lost C-128 Gems.

If only someone would come across the rumored c-128 game "The great War" I would be happy...

Douglas

[RobertB]

Wow, I haven't been by in quite awhile but I'm very happy to see that the list keeps growing, and I really like the site with the pictures of C-128 programs, very nice!

Good to hear from you, Douglas.  I should be passing by your town on the way to Portland, Oregon during my Thanksgiving break.

           Prepping for the SCCAN meeting,
           Robert Bernardo
           Fresno Commodore User Group
           http://videocam.net.au/fcug
           The Other Group of Amigoids
           http://www.calweb.com/~rabel1/

[RobertB]

...when I retire from the navy in another 5 years...

Hmm, retirement for me is anywhere between 2 and 7 years away.  But of course, early retirement in 2 years means a miniscule pension.  If I wait for 5 to 7 years, it's a much better deal, pension-wise.

It's a place called Wisconsin.

I'm staying put.  The house is paid off.

             A late return from Los Angeles,
             Robert Bernardo
             Fresno Commodore User Group
             http://videocam.net.au/fcug
             The Other Group of Amigoids
             http://www.calweb.com/~rabel1/

[RobertB]

While I might agree that he's asking a bit much, Robert, I must remind you that not everyone can make it to or even knows about computing expos and festivals, nor can everyone afford to go to them even if they do.

Heh, at today's SCCAN meeting, one member was just giving away his manuals for free.

              Interesting to see a Minimig in operation,
              Robert Bernardo
              Fresno Commodore User Group
              http://videocam.net.au/fcug
              The Other Group of Amigoids
              http://www.calweb.com/~rabel1/

[airship]

Andrew, you do realize that in Wisconsin only cows have the right to vote? Where are you thinking about moving to? If it's just about anywhere in the southern half of the state, that's very accessible from Iowa City. I'm 7.5 years away from retirement if I wait (like Robert) for a decent level of Social Security. I'm only 4.5 years away from 62, but a cow couldn't live on that kind of money, even in Wisconsin.

Douglas, good to see you again! Your list is an invaluable resource to us all. Sometimes in this thread, we even talk about it!

Robert, I couldn't be happier for you and your fellow clubmates. May the free goodies flow like water. But out here in the boonies we still have to pay for our swag. Then wait for the Wells Fargo wagon to deliver it a few months later.

[RobertB]

Then wait for the Wells Fargo wagon to deliver it a few months later.

Pony Express would be faster. 

             Truly,
             Robert Bernardo
             Fresno Commodore User Group
             http://videocam.net.au/fcug
             The Other Group of Amigoids
             http://www.calweb.com/~rabel1/

[Andrew Wiskow]

Andrew, you do realize that in Wisconsin only cows have the right to vote? Where are you thinking about moving to? If it's just about anywhere in the southern half of the state, that's very accessible from Iowa City. I'm 7.5 years away from retirement if I wait (like Robert) for a decent level of Social Security. I'm only 4.5 years away from 62, but a cow couldn't live on that kind of money, even in Wisconsin.

Where we end up living after I get out of the navy will mainly depend on where I can find work.  Yes, I'll be retiring from the navy, but the navy retirement pay, while it's something nice I'll receive for the rest of my life, isn't really something that I can live on comfortably, so I'll have to continue to work somewhere.  As for where we may end up if we were to move to Wisconsin, I have family in Merrill, Wausau, Mosinee, Schofield, and Marshfield, so I'd guess that we'd end up living around there.  Also, my wife liked the city of Oshkosh when we drove through there in July, so that's another option...

[RobertB]

...the navy retirement pay, while it's something nice I'll receive for the rest of my life, isn't really something that I can live on comfortably, so I'll have to continue to work...

Yes, my uncle had to find work when he retired from the Navy

                    Truly,
                    Robert Bernardo
                    Fresno Commodore User Group
                    http://videocam.net.au/fcug
                    The Other Group of Amigoids
                    http://www.calweb.com/~rabel1/
                    Southern California Commodore/Amiga Network
                    http://www.sccaners.org/

[Golan Klinger]

Moving to the mid-west has the advantage that you'll be closer to the big Commodore expos.

[Andrew Wiskow]

Moving to the mid-west has the advantage that you'll be closer to the big Commodore expos.

True. 

15 August 2013 is still a long way off, however...  A lot could happen between now and then.

[Golan Klinger]

True. 

I'll mark you down as a tentative for World of Commodore 2013 then. Might be a shock to your system to attend an expo with so many attendees.

A lot could happen between now and then.

You're not planning on taking all your Commodore hardware to the tip and getting that TI-99/4A you've had your eye on, are you? You'll regret it.

[Andrew Wiskow]

You're not planning on taking all your Commodore hardware to the tip and getting that TI-99/4A you've had your eye on, are you? You'll regret it.

Ha!  Not likely! 

[RobertB]

May the free goodies flow like water.

At this month's TOGA meeting, president Randy Abel was giving out various Amiga disks, loose and packaged; books, and hardware bits like Amiga mice and cables.  I picked up some Amiga video cables.  Next month Randy will give away A500s, Commodore 10xx monitors, and more!  What a Christmas meeting!

               Now... now... you already have too much stuff,
               Robert Bernardo
               Fresno Commodore User Group
               http://videocam.net.au/fcug
               The Other Group of Amigoids
               http://www.calweb.com/~rabel1/
               Southern California Commodore/Amiga Network
               http://www.sccaners.org/

[SmallCleverDinosaur]

Hey guys,

A question that has been bothering me, if I find some old software deep in my C128 stash, is it OK to distribute it on the internet? Or are there still companies that claim there copyrights? I want to share all my old software but I don't want to be hunted down by some lawyer who comes after me with a lawsuit for a program that is 25 years old!

For example, I have "Fastrac 128" from FSSL and I would like to D64 its disc and PDF its manual and then share them with everyone. But is that OK to do?

There is a site that sells this software http://www.sharewareplus.co.uk/products.asp?partno=A0010, but I don't know whether this is a company or a person. On the other hand, there is a guy on ebay-UK (alee650 - you may have heard of him) who sells this software over and over and I don't think he has had these in stock for 25 years, they are most likely duplicates.

[Golan Klinger]

A question that has been bothering me, if I find some old software deep in my C128 stash, is it OK to distribute it on the internet?

Define "OK". It isn't legal in the strictest sense but generally falls into the category of victimless-crime/nobody cares. I say go for it and if someone objects, stop. Simple.

On the other hand, there is a guy on ebay-UK (alee650 - you may have heard of him) who sells this software over and over and I don't think he has had these in stock for 25 years, they are most likely duplicates.

He (Tim aka alee650) is well known for selling duplicates (fakes, copies, clones, whatever you want to call them) and doesn't go to great lengths to inform that what he is selling isn't original (that goes for software and hardware). If you're a user, his stuff is fine. If you're a collector, it's worthless.

[RobertB]

A question that has been bothering me, if I find some old software deep in my C128 stash, is it OK to distribute it on the internet? Or are there still companies that claim there copyrights?

Most likely, the companies that claim the programs wouldn't do anything.  However, every once in awhile, a company (companies) may enforce their rights, as in the case of Commodore Free magazine.  Issues 1, 2, and 3 were pulled, due to the companies complaining that their copyrights were infringed.

              Truly,
              Robert Bernardo
              Fresno Commodore User Group
              http://videocam.net.au/fcug
              The Other Group of Amigoids
              http://www.calweb.com/~rabel1/
              Southern California Commodore/Amiga Network
              http://www.sccaners.org/

[SmallCleverDinosaur]

Define "OK". It isn't legal in the strictest sense but generally falls into the category of victimless-crime/nobody cares. I say go for it and if someone objects, stop. Simple.

Well, I guess that was my conclusion as well. And by OK I probably mean software that has been released into the public domain. To distribute them is OK (and legal) even in the strictest sense. The problem is to know which software is regarded as public domain and which is not.

He (Tim aka alee650) is well known for selling duplicates (fakes, copies, clones, whatever you want to call them) and doesn't go to great lengths to inform that what he is selling isn't originals (that goes for software and hardware). If you're a user, his stuff is fine. If you're a collector, it's worthless.

I actually bought a few items from that guy. Not beleiving they were originals though But to satisfy my needs as a user. From a collectors point of view I would never buy from that guy. As you say, it's pretty sad that he doesn't go to greater lengths to inform the buyer that the items are not originals and even worse, I think he's quite expensive. There are probably many Commodore users that recently have renewed their interest for the Commodores, that have been fooled to buy (expensive) software from him that can actually be downloaded from the internet for free.

When it comes to duplicates of hardware I think it's somewhat strange that a company like Datel, who still exists, don't mind that Tim is selling duplicates of a lot of their hardware over and over again. He's probably making a great deal of money from it. On the other hand, it's great for the Commodore community that some of the great hardware that Datel created is being "reborn"