Anyone have Power C 128 ?

[Mark Smith]

I've been playing around with the 64 version of Power C, but does anyone have the 128 version ?

Thanks!

Mark

[nikoniko]

Isn't the version in the Downloads section for the 128?

http://landover.no-ip.com/files/index.php?path=prog/

Or did you mean you're looking to buy it on disk?

[Mark Smith]

Ahhh .. I'll have a looksie and see if ti is :-)

Thanks

Mark

[Golan Klinger]

There's an awful lot of good stuff in the Downloads section. It's definitely worth having a butcher's.

[airship]

"having a butcher's"? Now there's an expression I've never heard before. Cockney?

[nikoniko]

Yep, rhyming slang. "(Butcher's) hook" rhymes with "look", so by Cockney reasoning "Having a butcher's" is the same as "having a look". :förvånad:

[Golan Klinger]

Cheers for that, China.

[airship]

I've heard most of the common ones, like 'trouble and strife' for wife, etc., so I figured it might be Cockney.

[Blacklord]

"having a butcher's"? Now there's an expression I've never heard before. Cockney?

Used here in Australia too, though I don't hear it as often as I did when I was a kid growing up in the country.

cheers,

Lance

[airship]

Of course, we all know that Australia was originally settled by convicts, many of whom were Cockney, so that makes sense.

[airship]

Don't know about Power C, but if you have Abacus' Super-C and need the manual, there's one on eBay for $10+$7 shipping:

http://tinyurl.com/2e7zzm

[issarad]

Is it Power C by Better Working software, that you're looking for?  I have it, still boxed with manual and discs for both C64 and C128.  Feel free to drop me a PM if it is.

[Mark Smith]

Is it Power C by Better Working software, that you're looking for?  I have it, still boxed with manual and discs for both C64 and C128.  Feel free to drop me a PM if it is.

I'm tempted ... but the wife would neuter me if she spots any more "junk" arriving at the house.

Actually would you be able to make a few D64 (or G64) images of those disks and upload them to this site ?  Always good to make sure we don't lose tings over time due to age and bitrot.

Regards!

Mark

[Guest]

Don't know about Power C, but if you have Abacus' Super-C and need the manual, there's one on eBay for $10+$7 shipping:

http://tinyurl.com/2e7zzm

http://i22.ebayimg.com/04/i/06/0e/96/f2_2.JPG

I believe they are the same program.  I've used both and they were practically identical.

[hannenz]

AFAIK they are NOT. I think i even read an article in the commodore knowledge base comparing those two compilers against each other (power-c "won").
if you're looking for downloadable disk images of Power-C-128, they are available somewhere in the file section.

[airship]

I picked up a copy of Power C 64/128 a few months back on the eBays, and just got around to digging it out to make sure the disks are okay. They are. Now I'm reading the manual. There's plenty of info here for getting started, so that's cool. But I still have one question:

I generally just use BASIC 7.0, and compile it if necessary. If something needs to be fast and tight, I'm okay with writing M/L using the monitor, and am trying to get proficient with Merlin 128 for bigger projects.

So where does 'C' fit in? My impression is that it's supposed to be somewhere between compiled BASIC and M/L, but where exactly?

[BigDumbDinosaur]

My opinion of C on the C-128 is it's a waste of time.  As you noted, compiled BASIC runs pretty fast (even faster if you know how to organize your program), and if you really need performance, assembly language fills the bill.

Back in the day, I fooled around with C on the 128 and came away underwhelmed.  K&R C itself is a low level language and on a machine like the 128, results in less than optimal machine code.  Better to invest the time in learning how to write assembly language and realize some real speed.

[airship]

Thanks, BDD. All I was really looking for was an excuse not to have to learn another language.

While C is interesting to some degree, I'd just as soon not have to learn all about pointers, etc.

As for C++ and other object-oriented languages, forget it. I'm too old to learn an entirely new way of programming. The closest I've come to programming with objects is JavaScript and I don't like it. Not one bit.

And you kids get off my lawn.

[xlar54]

Not to mention, the moment you try CC65, you wont ever want to use Power C or Super C ever again. CC65 does a pretty terrific job in what it does.  For programming the 128 though, I have to agree, BASIC or assembly. Power C to me, is a curiosity.  Impressive at the time, but you have to be pretty dedicated to C in order to really go with it.  Super C is just painful.  Trying to be too *nix like, which just doesn't help the situation any.

[airship]

The opinions of two people who are much smarter than I am are enough to convince me. Power C goes back in on the shelf.

Now back to figuring out all the nuances of Merlin 128.