Centered text ?

[Blacklord]

You often have to put different code into your pages because of the differences between jscript/javascript, which leaves the door wide open for sites that work with one but not the other down to the web programmers personal choice.

You oughtta see the patches that are in the CSS files here so that the pages display correctly in IE. To make it worse, you need different hacks for IE6 & IE7...  

I'll probably drop support completely for IE6 before too long. If people must use IE I see no reason that they shouldn't 'upgrade' to IE7. I don't bother testing with IE6 anymore.

Testing here is done for Firefox 1.5 & 2.0, Safari, Opera, Netscape (8 & 9), Lynx (believe it or not) & IE7.

All bar IE7 work with bog standard CSS.

In fact IE is in decline on this site at least, stats for the last week :

Firefox                
910 visitors, 53.44% of traffic
Internet Explorer    
462  visitors, 27.13% of traffic
Safari
205 visitors, 12.04% of traffic
Opera                        
81 visitors, 4.76% of traffic
Mozilla  
32 visitors, 1.88% of traffic (this is actually Netscape)

The IE breakdown is :

7.0 - 278
6.0 - 183
5.0 - 1 <- own up whoever you are!

This is fairly consistent, in nearly two years of running the site IE has never had more than 35% of the browser share here and that has been dropping by about 1% a month lately.

With close on 20 CSS files that need manipulating it's a serious pain to have to puts in hacks to make IE's rendering engine display the pages properly!

cheers,

Lance

[smf]

With close on 20 CSS files that need manipulating it's a serious pain to have to puts in hacks to make IE's rendering engine display the pages properly!

I understand about having to work round issues, I've had to work round hardware issues before and it can be annoying. I'm suprised that people have problems reporting issues to the IE team and getting them fixed, the rest of microsoft are actually quite good with their PR.

Sure drop support for IE6, I haven't used it in ages.

I am loving the irony of browser popularity. How is the c128 market share doing? :-)

Anyway, what was the cause of the centering text?

[smf]

No web browser follows the standards 100%, there was a test suite a while back that absolutely none of them passed.

The standards test is called the Acid2 test and Safari, Apple's browser, was the first to pass the test way back on October 31, 2005 and for the record, IE has never passed it.

Actually it wasn't acid2 I was thinking of, but hey.

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/12/19/internet-explorer-8-and-acid2-a-milestone.aspx

[airship]

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Way back in '96 when I wrote my first HTML book, a lot of space was devoted to how to make a page work in both Netscape and Internet Explorer. And with every version of IE it's been the same story. Microsoft always says that they've 'improved' their engine and 'extended' HTML/CSS/Javascript (whatever) to give 'more capability' to web designers, and it's up to them to make their pages conform with Microsoft's vision. They don't have any concept of industry-developed standards. If they're not dictating, they dictate anyway.

[Blacklord]

Anyway, what was the cause of the centering text?

IE not interpreting the main template code correctly.

cheers,

Lance

[Golan Klinger]

Actually it wasn't acid2 I was thinking of, but hey.

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/12/19/internet-explorer-8-and-acid2-a-milestone.aspx

That's great. Say, where can a person download IE 8?

[nikoniko]

Way back in '96 when I wrote my first HTML book, a lot of space was devoted to how to make a page work in both Netscape and Internet Explorer.

Netscape did whatever they wanted, too. Microsoft may have given us annoying MARQUEEs, but remember it was Netscape who set the online world BLINKing. Personally I think neither company should be forgiven for their part in making possible the hellish nightmare of Geocities.

[Golan Klinger]

I long for the days when Geocities was considered nightmarish. Have you been to a Myspace page lately? I went to one once and I think it damaged my DNA.