C64 Intelligence

airship · February 11, 2009, 04:35 AM

According to this chart, the Commodore 64 is intellectually equivalent to a worm.

But it has better sound and graphics.

RobertB · February 11, 2009, 12:49 PM

Quote from: airship on February 11, 2009, 04:35 AM
According to this chart, the Commodore 64 is intellectually equivalent to a worm.

Hmm, worms respond to light, heat, and moisture. I know of no C64 that can respond in that fashion (because the C64 has no nervous system). Worms are still sophisticated creatures when compared to a C64.

Quote from: airship on February 11, 2009, 04:35 AMBut it has better sound and graphics.

I see that no computer has matched a human.

Truly,
Robert Bernardo
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saehn · February 11, 2009, 02:27 PM

Quote from: RobertB on February 11, 2009, 12:49 PM
Quote from: airship on February 11, 2009, 04:35 AM
According to this chart, the Commodore 64 is intellectually equivalent to a worm.
Hmm, worms respond to light, heat, and moisture. I know of no C64 that can respond in that fashion (because the C64 has no nervous system). Worms are still sophisticated creatures when compared to a C64.

But the basis of comparison is MIPS (millions of instructions per second), not environmental response. No-one is downplaying the worm's achievements here. :-) However, the worm does have the advantage of sensory input and instinct (built-in semi-permanent operating system). A C64 with that might be able to convincingly simulate a worm in a virtual environment. Anyway, I'd say that sensory functions are generally of secondary value compared to reasoning ability.

Quote from: RobertB on February 11, 2009, 12:49 PM
Quote from: airship on February 11, 2009, 04:35 AMBut it has better sound and graphics.
I see that no computer has matched a human.

They will, give them time. The human mind is just a meat computer.

RobertB · February 11, 2009, 03:12 PM

Quote from: saehn on February 11, 2009, 02:27 PMAnyway, I'd say that sensory functions are generally of secondary value compared to reasoning ability.

A C64 does not reason, either.

Truly,
Robert Bernardo
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saehn · February 12, 2009, 12:39 AM

Quote from: RobertB on February 11, 2009, 03:12 PMA C64 does not reason, either.

Just give them time. :-) Right now they certainly meet a primary definition of the verb reason: "To use the faculty of reason; think logically.". The "thought" part isn't quite the same as human mind yet... but as a rational determinist, I see that as an inevitable endpoint.

airship · February 12, 2009, 04:19 AM

They're talking pure computing power, here.

A C64 can certainly be made to 'reason' by supplying the right program. And it can be given senses using simple light detectors, etc. It has the raw capacity to do such things.

It would be interesting to develop a worm simulation cartridge that combined a set of algorithms with an interface for simple worm senses and see how close a C64 could come to simulating a worm in real time.

RobertB · February 12, 2009, 01:29 PM

Quote from: airship on February 12, 2009, 04:19 AM
A C64 can certainly be made to 'reason' by supplying the right program. And it can be given senses using simple light detectors, etc.

Ah, your definitions of reason and of the senses are different from mine. I equate reason with intelligentce (intelligence being the capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding; an aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings) and the senses with instinct. As you say, the C64 can simulate, but it cannot "be".

A C64 with intelligence and instinct... no,
Robert Bernardo
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Blacklord · February 12, 2009, 01:30 PM

Ok, so the C64 is "dumb", but the128 was marketed as "a higher intelligence"

RobertB · February 12, 2009, 01:42 PM

Quote from: Blacklord on February 12, 2009, 01:30 PM...the 128 was marketed as "a higher intelligence"

Ooo, sounds like an alien lifeform (from another planet!).

O.K., just remembering the movie, "The Day the
Earth Stood Still",
Robert Bernardo
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